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Happy Independence Day

By Linux.com Staff on July 04, 2008 (2:00:00 PM)

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We're taking the day off to celebrate the US Independence Day holiday. We intend to reflect on traditional American values such as freedom of speech and religion, fairness, justice, respect for the rule of law, the right to pursue happiness, standing up for the underdog, and taking responsibility for one's actions. We suggest other US residents do the same, and hold their elected leaders to the same if not higher standards. Then we suggest everyone have a barbecue and watch some fireworks.

We will be on a very limited posting schedule until Monday morning.

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 92.36.245.106] on July 04, 2008 02:29 PM
Your article kinda sounds like "Sieg Heil!" to me <--- if you delete this, it means you're violating "freedom of speech". Happy Indian Land Taken Away and Flagrant Neocolonialsm Day

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Re: Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 89.48.232.198] on July 04, 2008 03:07 PM
mhh i think it s about the traditions they are losing, not the ones they keep.
have a nice day
arno

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Re: Happy Independence Day - Freedom - Be Inspired!

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 99.10.237.222] on July 04, 2008 08:54 PM
Freedom - Be Inspired Real American Stories,



Personal Message * Independence Day July 4th * On July 4, 1776, we claimed our independence from Britain and Democracy was born. Every day thousands leave their homeland to come to the "land of the free and the home of the brave" so they can begin their American Dream. The United States is truly a diverse nation made up of dynamic people. Each year on July 4, Americans celebrate that freedom and independence with barbecues, picnics, and family gatherings. Through the Internet we are learning about and communicating with people of different nations, with different languages and different races throughout the world. Bringing the world closer with understanding and knowledge can only benefit all nations. We invite all nations to celebrate with Americans online this Fourth of July. Happy Birthday, America! Real American Stories - One Nation United http://www.realamericanstories.com


"We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first Revolution. Let the word Go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans.... Let every Nation know, whether it wishes as well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to ensure the survival and success of Liberty." John Fitzgerald Kennedy



"A government big enough to supply you with everything you need is a government big enough to take away everything that you have.... The course of history shows that as the government grows, liberty decreases." Thomas Jefferson




"Liberty is the great parent of science and virtue; and a Nation will be great in both, in proportion as it is free." Thomas Jefferson



Freedom - Be Inspired Real American Stories - One Nation United: http://www.realamericanstories.com



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We encourage you to contact your elected officials and share your thoughts on current events and government policy. Below you'll find links to e-mail and postal addresses, and phone numbers for key elected officials.
President George W. Bush – E-mail the President or Vice President; call or write the White House; or extend an invitation to the President, Vice President, Mrs. Bush, or Mrs. Cheney. This site tells you how.
U.S. Senators – Search for your senators by name, state, or congressional class; and visit their websites.
U.S. Representatives – Find contact information for your U.S. representative by typing in your zip code.
State Governors – Select your state to access e-mail, telephone, and postal contact information for your governor.
State Legislators – Search for state legislators and topical legislative information, by U.S. states and territories If you are sending an email be sure to enter: American Energy Independence into the subject line.
Here are links that will provide you with your representatives name and address:
http://www.usa.gov
http://www.house.gov
http://www.senate.gov
http://www.whitehouse.gov




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Re: Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 75.117.239.198] on July 08, 2008 04:19 AM
No.

The First Amendment says that the government cannot create laws that restrict the freedom of speech, not that everyone is guaranteed freedom of speech. And it's their site, so they can do what they please with your comments.

Try again.

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 213.39.158.70] on July 04, 2008 04:04 PM
Posting nationalist crap like this is a bad idea. Actually posting anything about "politics" is a stupid idea on a website like this. How is it related in any way with Linux? I just lost my respect in this site.

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Re: Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 12.169.163.241] on July 04, 2008 07:12 PM
Don't worry, no one respects you either.

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 67.70.127.212] on July 04, 2008 05:21 PM
Hmmm... somebody from Sarajevo and Deutchland criticing US politics and people... classic!

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Re: Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 89.48.232.198] on July 04, 2008 05:56 PM
and if I was from Jupiter, Anonymous, does it really it matter?
I apreciate those critical remarks from the staff. Its another sign of intelligent life in a world gone mad.
there is a bitter and ironic truth in it: the ones who brought us Germans and Serbs Freedom are going to lose it now. not the best moment to make fun of it. especially when you see, that the same stupidity is spreading in Europe, again. At least WE should know better...

arno

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 69.255.250.138] on July 04, 2008 07:09 PM
Happy 4th to everyone! (Yes, even the crabby and foolish anons!) :-)

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 217.155.24.246] on July 04, 2008 08:26 PM
Why couldn't you have just said.... "It's a holiday here, so we won't be doing much this weekend. Have a happy Independence Day, if you celebrate it, if not have a great day anyway"???

Much better than what was posted.

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Re: Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 12.169.163.241] on July 05, 2008 01:33 AM
Why do you have a problem with them discussing the meaning of the holiday? It is a US-based site, and the announcement was framed in a clearly US-centric way instead of seeming to assume that the whole world is just like us. I'm starting to believe that all of the pointlessly grumpy, impossible-to-please people who infest the linux.com comments are part of some kind of organized campaign. Not sure what the point of it is- to make linux.com look bad, to make Linux look bad, who knows. Bitch bitch bitch, complain complain complain... no wonder you have no friends.

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 209.125.235.182] on July 05, 2008 02:00 AM
I am SOOO glad we're no longer subjects of tyrannical Britain!

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 216.195.179.198] on July 05, 2008 02:24 AM
I'm pretty willing to bet that the people who have a problem with what was posted are the same ones preaching 'tolerance' at ever other turn.

It seems that they are very tolerant, as long as you believe the same thing they do. Otherwise their tolerance gets checked at the door.

I for one was pleased to see the post. What is the fourth about, if not being American.

Time to go watch some fireworks.

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 192.168.32.1] on July 05, 2008 02:40 AM
I welcome this topic. I find idiotic to close our eyes to other issues and pretend the world is just roses (or, regarding this site, just good Linux news).

As a non-US citizen, I congratulate you on this celebration of such an important date. As time passes, I value US heroes like Thomas Jefferson more and more. He would be a remarkable man, even -- or perhaps even more -- if he lived today. More than ever, we need more intelligent, clear-minded US folks like him.

Perhaps, this is a great moment to think about your government, how it can become more of a democracy, less belligerent and maybe take a wiser and more peaceful leading role in this world of turmoil.

Maybe you all could do your 2¢ for your country -- just by not voting wrong again. Let's be conscious about the consequences of our actions: one can kill or save with a decision.

It's your choice. And no one can change what you want. Even if it makes no difference, you can go to the sea and throw a stone -- and no one, no matter how powerful will be able to stop you. On the other hand, whatever you choose, it will be your merit or fault.

5 years from now, you won't be able to blame things on the others.

Don't just do it!

Instead, think well first and only then act.

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 83.55.99.172] on July 05, 2008 10:46 AM
Religion is a value??? What the heck has to do religion and all the rest of the stuff of this post with Linux?
What is this? George Bush personal web site?

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 86.20.190.214] on July 05, 2008 11:22 AM
As a semi-professional lurker I have to say that it consistently amazes me how little the citizens of the USA understand the low regard that virtually all intelligent and educated Europeans / Asians / Australasians have for the "values" that the USA proclaims to hold dear. All credit to the US system for persuading so many people to exchange and embelish such views, but from anywhere over the horizon it sounds comically foolish.

Maybe it's the hypocrisy factor? 1776 was not the birth of democracy - when did universal suffrage arrive in the USA? It was one privileged group wresting control from another, not least to ensure the scope for subjugating the natives. It's blatantly clear that the USA is just another nation, entirely normal in its humanity, strengths and weaknesses. When it's strength is used for good (which it sometimes is) then many benefit. When used for ill (which it sometimes is) then many suffer. And more usually, in the moral porridge of reality, it's another confused and frightened child - but just happens to be the big fat one.

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.59.40.134] on July 05, 2008 01:15 PM
As a US citizen, I do not pretend the rest of the world has the same idea of democracy or opinion we in the US hold dear. It is clear most do not. Our representative republic is only one version of democracy in the world and history shows the Greek's were the first to document democracy.

That being said I also find the reference to universal suffrage and subjugation of natives as a US only problem not historically correct even if that was not the intent. There are many countries in the world during that period engaged in the same issues as the US including Europeans / Asians / Australasians. Europeans subjugating Jews and Blacks, Japan subjugating Koreans and Australia subjugating aboriganies.

Lastly the decision to use the US Armed Forces for good or ill is a matter of opinion. Who's good or ill? Another opinion related statement. As a US citizen, I perceive the opinion of when the US sends it's Armed Forces somewhere in the world for good or ill depends on if the US decided or the world decided, i.e. the UN. If the US decided then it is ill and if the world decided then it is good.

Example: WWI, WWII, Bosnia, Korea, Darfur(Did not go) were okay by the world. Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan were not okay.

As a US citizen of the country with the most powerful Armed Forces in the world and a contributor of taxes to pay for said Armed Forces, I want my country to decide when to use or not use it's Armed Forces. I am not concerned with world opinion. A statement of arrogance? From your perspective yes, but from mine no.

As a US citizen, I will be glad to here a treatise on universal democracy, military support, health care, food distribution were all people are treated justly and fairly. It will probably never happen. The concept of justice and fair play are opinion based. Throw in religion then universal justice and fair play become impossible.

Though 1776 was not the birth of democracy in the world, it was in the American Colonies. Before 1776, the colonies did not have representation in Britain. One of the reasons there was a rebellion. It is our country's birthday and we celebrate it regardless of what the rest of the world's opinion of us is!

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Re: Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 86.20.190.214] on July 05, 2008 04:56 PM
Absolutely right - the same historical evidence that power can be used for noble and ignoble purposes applies to every nation. I rather think that was what I said. Whilst the USA is uniquely powerful (at this moment in time) it is not uniquely moral. Or uniquely democratic. Or particularly a pioneer of democracy. Which I think you (rightly) acknowledge. I don't think some of the earlier posts were quite from that perspective, however. In fact, some read rather like a Victorian tract on the civilising obligations of the British colonialism. I certainly don't think the USA is intrinsically evil or immoral, but I am surprised by how many Americans believe the USA bears the definitive global "values" standard, and the start contrast of their viewpoint with the prevailing world view.

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 217.155.24.246] on July 05, 2008 03:05 PM
I thought this was an international site. Seems it is by US citizens, for US citizens. As a British citizen, I was once asked in US by a US citizen whether we British celebrated Independence Day. Tbh, I have no issue with the guys that run this site celebrating it, I just don't expect a big dose of patronisation (sorry, patronization) thrown in when I want to read Linux news.

Any US citizen that is proud of their democracy, go do some digging about what the CIA gets up to elsewhere and you will find the CIA has assisted in the overthrowing of other countries democratically elected governments for the US's benefit. Perhaps they would a little more quiet about how great and good US democracy is.

And above all... what has this got to do with Linux???

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Independence... from religion, too!

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 190.134.165.21] on July 05, 2008 04:01 PM
Let´s hope we also get "freedom from religion" -- which the Bush government seems to want everywhere, personal rights nonwithstanding.

Also, many countries would appreciate "freedom from the USA" -- which most americans cannot even begin to comprehend.

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Re: Independence... from religion, too!

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 96.228.149.153] on July 05, 2008 09:11 PM
Yes I agree, I too would like to see the rest of the world have freedom from US! or rather US from the rest of the world!!!! without the markets and affluence that is found in the US a lot of the worlds economies would dry up, especially China. I am in firm favor of closing our borders to the rest of the world when it comes to unfair trade balances and our whores of big business exporting the many jobs that once were here and now are scattered over the planet. If you think that this is a return to isolationism you guessed correctly. Oh and for the rest of the posters and my fellow Americans who wrongly think that we are a Republic based upon democratic ideals, Mom's apple pie etc etc; that has long since been in name only, unfortunately our nations gov't, and national religion (I bet you thought we had no national religion), education system, morality or lack there of and on and on is not what we have deluded ourselves into believing that it is. Unfortunately it is rather unrestrained capitalism and the worship of the almighty dollar at the expense of everyone and anything that gets in its way! This evil of unrestrained unchecked capitalism is spreading around the world like the tentacles of an octopus, for example how many different places now have what I term "US pollution" in the form of a new Wall Mart, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Mac McDonald's or Starbucks. We are all loosing our identities, the unique things that make us who we are whether we are from the USA, Europe, Asia, Africa the Pacific Islands, Australia and the rest of the world, we are all becoming drunk on the evils of unrestrained capitalism at the expense of the guy or gal next to us just as long as we make more money, regardless of what currency that may be. If the people in the US and the rest of the world really think that who we vote for here in the US is really an exercise in free will are all deluded, our decisions and even the political candidates who we are given to choose from are all controlled by the big money people. If the truth were really known we probably haven't had any real unbiased leadership in the US that wasn't influenced and controlled by some corporate lobbyist. We would have to go back to the 1800's or at least before the middle of the 20th century to find any politician who really wanted to do what was best for the people, now it is only what is best for him or her and screw the rest of the country and the world. Just in case that you may think I am not a patriot and someone who does not love his county nothing could be further from the truth. In spite of how screwed up we are most of the time I would not trade my citizenship for any other place, I just think that it is time for a new 1776. I am convinced that we could all go up to Washington and show the door to all the currently serving politicians, including the non politicians like the Supreme Court Justices and go out on the streets of America and we could pick people at random to be our new representatives and they would probably do a better job that the ones we have now.

If the US were such an open society, based upon freedom etc. with us the little people, the voters thinking that we have some measure of control over the important political decisions that affect our domestic and especially our foreign policy's we are really in a fantasy land. If this were true then why does our president participate in the secret hidden from world scrutiny meetings of the G8 summits. The reason is that it is all about the money people! They all get together to plan the big grand strategies that will ultimately control the economies of the world at the expense of each of our personal identities and our national identities. I fear that one day soon (if it hasn't already happened) we are all going to wake up the the hard reality that our lives are being dictated by a handful of large global corporations.

Do I have any constructive ideas as how to stop or prevent this from happening? Unfortunately I do not as I am just one small person amongst the billions who inhabit the planet, the only thing I can think of would be for each of us to decide each day we wake up to be a little less greedy that day and to decide not to step on the neck of our neighbors just so that we can get ahead in this life.
Sincerely,
A deeply concerned American

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Re(1): Independence... from religion, too!

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 216.195.179.198] on July 07, 2008 11:33 PM
I really, really, really REALLY hate to do this, but:

Do you honestly think that Capitalism is evil? I mean, seriously?

And what, pray, do-tell, would you propose in its place?


Hmmmm????? Nothing? I thought not. Go ahead, be pissed at everything, hate the world as it is. Find a convenient scapegoat, like capitalism, to use to make yourself feel righteous and justified in your loathing and hate. Please, by all means. And then please, for the sake of the rest of us, exercise your constitutional right, go out and buy a handgun, and fire a copper coated slug into your brain. It will be less painful then being as misguided and wrong as you are.

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And you even

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 83.9.134.135] on July 05, 2008 05:23 PM
have the Patriot Act and Guantanamo Bay

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Who are we americans kidding...

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 206.222.198.12] on July 05, 2008 10:11 PM
Who are we kidding. We just want a chance to blow off fireworks, drink beer and enjoy a kick ass bbq.

CRH

P.S. I actually figured out how to create a mushroom cloud using artilery shells (And I almost lost a hand doing so!). God I love the 4th.

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 92.36.248.217] on July 06, 2008 09:21 AM
It is BECAUSE I live in Bosnia that I know what extreme nationalism is - I lost waaaaaaaaay too much because of it - dear friends, family, my life as it was before. The US are starting to look just like Yugoslavia or Germany before their atrocities - the media brainwash ppl, retarded hillbillies get elected, nationalists and extremely religious ppl, ppl getting locked up for banalities - I've seen all that and I've seen what comes next - and being that. The only thing that keeps you guys from going mayhem is the fact that you still live comfortably. Think about that!

Also, you shouldn't be talking about today's Germany - you've obviously never been there.

And yeah, nationalism does NOT belong on a site regarding Linux. Start american-patriot-babble.com and do it there!
Otherwise this site is great (well, except for the articles where you recommend progs w/ Mono dependencies :) )

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Norberto Bensa on July 06, 2008 03:26 PM
I really hope, you'll celebrate July 9th too: Argentina's independence day. Thank you.

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 98.192.226.50] on July 08, 2008 12:00 AM
As an American, I'm glad this site and its workers have the chance to celebrate the holiday in which they live in. I know I will be celebrating the 4th of July with family and friends. I hope readers from other countries have the independence to celebrate their countries achievements just like we can in the United States.

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 199.181.201.5] on July 08, 2008 06:14 PM
If we have many more pea-brained psychopathic gits like Bush Jr. for President, I'll be living in Paraguay and spending summers in Argentina.

Terere o Yerba Mate amigos?

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Happy Independence Day

Posted by: Erez Hadad on July 10, 2008 06:06 PM
I believe any country's independence day is important - for the citizens of that country. Nevertheless, I think that Linux.com, although it is run by an American company, should maintain a neutral position and not promote specific holidays. A short notice of "we're suspending operation for the holiday" would have been sufficient without the additional preaching.

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